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For someone who admits she never planned her career, you wonder what Nora Scheinkestel’s career would have looked like had she planned it. She has been a qualified solicitor, investment banker, and served as a company director over the past 30 years of companies in several industry sectors and in the public, government and private spheres. “I have had two guiding lights: one is to have an open mind and the other is to make a contribution,” Nora explains.
At the last count, she has been – or continues to be – a non-executive director of more than 30 companies, including some of Australia’s best-known companies, including Westpac, Telstra, Origin Energy, Oceangold, Atlas Arteria, North (her first listed company), AusNet and Orica. She was a member of the Takeovers Panel for seven years and been an associate professor at the Melbourne Business School. In 2003, Nora was awarded a Centenary Medal for services to Australian society in business leadership.
As from March, she has been on the board of Qantas, Australia’s national airline, helping to restore the company’s reputation after a loss of trust by key stakeholders and resulting litigation. As part of the airline’s board renewal, she now chairs the people and remuneration committee, bringing her considerable experience to bear after a record ‘no vote’ against the company’s remuneration report last year.
Nora Scheinkestel
Alumna of Melbourne office, 1982 - 1983
Born in Argentina, Nora was aged three when her parents moved to Australia. She loved words and language and originally thought she would be a speech therapist, but, encouraged by her brother, opted for law instead.
As part of her law degree, Nora took a course in natural resources law. One summer, she did an internship with CRA (which later became Rio Tinto) and was enthralled by the concept of project financing. She would have trained with CRA, but her boss persuaded her that it would be better for her to train with a law firm.
She did her training (then, “articles”) with a predecessor firm of Herbert Smith Freehills, learning at the feet of Mark Fairbairn and Keith Skinner, who was the senior partner of the firm, both of whom were “genuinely caring and nurturing, as well as being outstanding lawyers. I have to say my legal training was foundational and has proved to be enormously useful.”
After one year’s post-qualification experience, Nora joined CRA full-time in their legal function. That took her on deals all over the world, which she found immensely satisfying. Following a merger of the legal departments of CRA and another company, Comalco, she was keen to pursue transactional work and opted to leave the law and start a career in investment banking.
This was in the early 1980s, just as Australia was opening up its financial services market to foreign banks. After a spell at Hill Samuel which straddled the bank morphing into Macquarie Bank, she joined Chase AMP, which was a joint venture between Chase Manhattan Bank and the AMP Society. After that, she was recruited to head the Asia Pacific Project Finance Group at Deutsche Bank. When the project finance unit was moved into Bain, the broking company which Deutsche had acquired and up to Sydney, Nora left the bank.
By then, Nora was working on a PhD on the subject of debt and equity risk in project financings. It was eventually published by Euromoney as Rethinking Project Finance: Allocating and Mitigating Risk in Australasian Projects.
Come the 1990s, the state of Victoria was embarked on a programme of privatisation of utilities. One ministerial adviser had heard Nora speak at a conference and invited her to join the board of one of the utilities, Eastern Energy, an electricity company. From that, she was asked to chair one of the gas companies and her non-executive director career was up and running.
Since then, Nora has served on boards of a huge range of companies (and that is no exaggeration), acquiring a reputation for her no-nonsense, thoughtful and practical guidance. “I guess I’ve become known to outsiders, investors, proxy advisers and others as someone who doesn’t spin, who’s very open, who listens, and who takes feedback on board. Above all, I’ve always tried to follow the path of doing the right thing for the companies that is fair for all stakeholders,” Nora says.
Nora sees being a non-executive director as having an influencing role. NEDs sit one step removed from the executive, bringing an outside perspective with the onus on them to question and challenge what the executives are doing. “We are not doers, but we need to make sure we can enhance the ability of the doers to do.”
To that end, she believes that it is vital for boards to include people with a range of interests and experiences – in other words, to be diverse. “Gender diversity is a no-brainer,” Nora says, “but what is also required for boards to be effective is to be represented by people who bring a range of diverse perspectives, from background, career, educational discipline and life experience.”
She continues: “You want people who come at the issues from different perspectives, but fundamentally share the same values. That can lead to challenging debates and tough conversations, but, ultimately, can be amazing experiences.”
Getting out and about“It’s critical to get out of the boardroom. We cannot make good decisions about our organisations, sitting in the rarified atmosphere of the boardroom, detached from what’s happening on the ground. You need to visit operations, meet staff on the ground, listen to the issues they’re grappling with on a day-to-day basis. Getting out and about allows you to observe safety practices, spot signals of culture (good and bad!) and hear different perspectives. We also underestimate the impact of our ‘showing up’. It tells people throughout the organisation that we care enough to go to see them. Our people are proud of what they’re doing, and it gives them a chance to show us their work. And what we say, what we do on those visits are powerful conveyors of the culture we’re trying to create. Across my various boards, I’ve visited mine sites throughout Australia and all over the world, listened in on calls in a Philippines call centre, travelled with service teams responding to customer calls, visited power stations and wind and solar farms, sewerage treatment plants, operations centres which service millions of customers, security operations centres which monitor systems and networks for malicious players as well as technical issues. For my most recent board appointment on Qantas, I’m looking forward to a session in a flight simulator as part of my induction programme! |
Equally, she has had less-than-wonderful experiences, where values differed and there was not a shared view on desired outcomes. But that has not deterred her from challenging decisions where she feels that the company is taking missteps. “They’re not easy situations and there can be a personal cost, but I am absolutely clear I have a responsibility to stakeholders. I’m not there to make friends, I’m there to do my job. At the end of the day, you need to do what in the end you think is right and fair.”
For those thinking of taking on non-executive directorships, Nora recommends first and foremost building up a body of experience. For lawyers contemplating a non-executive director role, the legal background will be useful - in sifting through vast amounts of information to distil the critical issues, to understand regulatory or other legal issues that come to the board - but boards need directors with an ability to contribute across the whole range of issues that come before them. Directors from a legal background are not there to offer legal advice; rather, they should draw on their experience to analyse key issues, inform the discussion and assist management and their board colleagues to identify and mitigate risks.
For lawyers contemplating the move, she suggests that they might build up relevant experience while still working as a lawyer, for example serving on the boards of not-for-profits or on the board of a government entity. “Ask yourselves, why would I enjoy being on this board? But, equally, what do I bring to the table? Don’t jump into a role until you feel you are able to bring value to the collective that is the board,” Nora says.
Nora likes to switch off from her directorship responsibilities by reading (“definitely not business books, more likely crime novels”) and recommends My Friends by Hisham Matar, as well as enjoying going to the cinema and the theatre. She has a close family unit and many friends with whom she likes to go for walks or share meals. As well as a house in Melbourne, Nora has a beach house, which gives plenty of scope for relaxation.
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